Posts tagged Dark Souls 2
He makes some very interesting points. Interesting design choices analysis. Also in terms of the story, including the impressive intro movie. Personally I have some mixed feelings towards DS2. On one hand I really value the variety of locations, and DS2 was a unique memorable experience, but on the other hand I find the atmosphere of DS1 is to much much more admiration worthy, as well as some things in Demon’s Souls. To me personally the big impact that DS2 had was also a lot about it giving me the courage to go back to DS1 & Demon’s Souls. And yet DS2 was something special in it’s own, and made a unique impression and series of memories… And indeed like he points out to me too Bloodborne felt not so radical in it’s gameplay because in many ways as a weak mage in DS2 I often ended up playing Bloodborne style in a dynamic fast way. But I digress, I I found the design analysis very interesting and he makes some very interesting arguments.
An old trailer that apparently I missed in it’s time. What an interesting mind/time trick to imagine this is just announced and inaccessible, cool but you have to abstain until next year for it to be released and all the excitement and anticipation that comes with that + the knowledge that you should totally wait until it gets cheaper months/years after launch but you’re sooo tempted. It’s fun to see time in such ways IMO.
Wow what a beautiful tragic story. I never saw it this way before and a lot of stuff had escaped me even of what i knew. Wow. And the whole humanity dark want link is philosophically superbly don. A story fit for a growup fairy tale.
As cool as I find this trailer now I think it’s largely because of the many beautiful memories, because if I try to have a detached look at it I would probably dislike how empty/flat many of the environments look and that it seems to be all about fighting bosses. There reason I’d be wrong though in not playing it after this trailer is because what the trailer doesn’t show are the many choices and paths you can take, the many ways you can approach things and the beautiful ways in which you can get lost in the worlds realistic deadends… the feeling of exploration.
And with all 3 addons… man, there’s a LOT of exploring to do in there for anybody who hasn’t played it.
+, +, – pretty much another souls game. On the one hand that’s good, on the other after all the talk of it being different and special I was expecting something different. The much trumpeted lack of a shield is in many ways just a limitation, in the sense that there were souls players who played without a shield before too, some, like me, as a mage while other as skilled dualwhielding. I do admit the whole recover some of the lost health through action does add an interesting gameplay thing… but it also takes things in a God of War frenzy direction which i might consider as a step back from calculated progress sometimes.
+, +, – the with the environments i had mixed feelings. On the one hand i was supposed to love them, because of the darker tones and gothic decorations, but on the other they had a lot of asset duplication and repetition, taking from the specialness of statues and gothic decorations, as your brain just tunes out from the details as they’re not helpful any longer in identifying unique locations. I missed this from some of the souls games where i had more the impression that each location is unique. It was my great surprise that Assassin’s Creed Unity did better and more and the kind of environments that I was expecting than Bloodborne. I’m still liking the darker tones, but the artwork quality is not quite of the same level IMHO.
-, – the story is not just as lacking as other souls games (which was always a problem, even for a mystery lover like myself), but by doing the historical and atmosphere move it even feels poorer. Not only did they not innovate at all by very simply just mixing up words (the blood acts exactly like souls lost/found), but in the process of pretending to be different while doing the same they I think lost one of their big cultural mythological tapping points: there is a very rich religious/cultural/and human storytelling & terminology and emotional moods around the concept of souls, lost souls, allowing the souls games to sometimes play the role of “purgatory” type places, and at other times to sound like certain religions, giving a kind of mysticism to the whole cycle of deaths that’s the core of the gameplay. This does not work the same way and is not nearly as rich in the blood/warewolf/beast universe. It doesn’t even tap into the whole vampiric mythologies, leaving it somehow unexplained in story terms, just floating in there just for the sake of gameplay. Which brings me to the other point about storytelling: i not only find it okay for a story to be mysterious, but i find it often improves on many stories. Take for example the Lovecraft style of storytelling. It almost seems like they were about to realize this connection as the game has some Cthulhu type motives, but even for that the story is way way too underdeveloped. I’m sure, like before, the fans will find rich stories hidden in the world, but unfortunately I again get the feeling the gameplay and environments were there first, and the story might or might not pop up later, without having been thought out. That’s not as bad as it could’ve been though, because:
+, +, the environments still have a lot to offer, doing some crazy and interesting stuff, and providing a story of their own through atmosphere
-, – they still cling on what I consider the retro lame clutch of boss fights: like in old games the world is often interesting to explore but then this joy is broken up by pieces of frustration where after a tough environment you also have to face an arbitrary boss. The difficulty is made to be punishing for stubborn people. In the end as veteran souls players for us it was okay, but the flaw remains a flaw, even if again it can be a bit compensated by calling in helpers… but that again breaks a singleplayer game by putting it on a multiplayer crutch.
+, +, -, + There are a lot of paths and alleys and twists and things to discover. A LOT! After my initial disappointment with the game I was expecting less but it then surprised by proving to be much more hidden content than I thought (even whole areas!!!). In terms of openness and paths: on the one hand there’s a lot of interesting alleys and corners, on the other hand instead of a more open world as I was hoping it goes back to a Demon Souls type design with a nexus instead of visible/logical interconnections. I personally find seeing many places from a distance and then reaching them in many ways more interesting.
– I think the devs missed and opportunity to reinvent themselves by bad weapon balancing: with new and original weapons I feel they should have been the best ones, and I was ready to use them, but when the best weapon is a huge souls style sword… well. I’ll use that. Too bad, it would have been nice if this reinforced the period/atmosphere. Similarly with the clothes i felt it was badly balanced: in the souls games when you saw other players each looked unique and interesting as each piece of equipment could be customized and improved until it was worth keeping. Here not only do you find/get soon the best equipment but since they’re not improvable a lot of players choose the same things. In this as in other ways (like the shield thing) it feels like only 70% of the content of the souls games, like a politician using spin to present the lack of some features as a plus and bonus. Another example is the lack of many realistic stats, including inventory weights which also homogenizes gameplay. It’s like the developers wanted to take away player freedom and dictate to them how they should play. In other souls games with many factors in a decisions, for example weight alone could mix with other considerations resulting in very different and interesting player decisions in equipment load and strategies of gameplay.
Conclusions: 3 (on a -5 to 5 scale). Despite my complains I must admit it’s a quite great game. The world is big, there’s a lot of interesting places, the mechanics still work fine even if they’re the same. The environments have too much asset repetition, but on the other hand they do try for interesting places. It’s weird to see the same statue the 30th time, making it feel like a storehouse of mass produced statues at times instead of monumental locations, but I do admit it does create a certain unique mood and given the real development costs probably with the statues is far better than without the statues. All in all I enjoyed the game, am still playing it a bit even after finishing it and I definitely will be playing it again when the addons come.
Wow, I can’t believe we finished it. It came so close to never getting finished… a couple of times. But so very happy we did. Quick thoughts:
+, +, +, + aaaaaaaaaamazing level design, the connections, the locations, the secrets
+, +, + very interesting world
-, -, – the difficulty is sometimes wildly impossibly hard. Theoretically this could be fixed by some summoned friends, but that system is also broken in design because as the game ages, the servers are more empty and you are left to yourself often when you would most need help. The community is still surprisingly active, which is how we actually ended up finishing it, but not necessarily the ingame one but the online resources. Ingame also there’s a lot of messages and good stuff, but game is very restrictive where it allows to place summon points and thus discourages it
+, +, + some truly truuly fascinating locations, and the variety and surprises are just amaziiing!
-, -, – I had to do quite a bit of grinding until things got more manageably doable
+, +, + greeeat value for money, you could spend a year or two in this fantastic universe
+ pretty good and fitting music
+ quite interesting characters along the way
+, – there are easily stuff you could HUGELY miss forever, your only (reasonable) chance is looking online for guides. This is a plus because it shows depth, but a minus because … well, you could easily miss awesome stuff if you don’t spend hundreds of hours trying out random things. For example there was a major interesting character, a witch, which you would have never met unless you wore a certain specific hat in a certain specific quite secret place which was not obvious to find even after acquiring a quite secret key & character friend.
-, -, + very unexplained and cryptical, though that is sometimes was also interesting
+, + very touching story moments
– there were a few creatures/enemies that were a bit ridiculous/silly
+, + the architecture is quite amazing
+, +, + very deep and interesting system for weapon developments, major choices to be taken, deeply thought out resources and requirements that force you to think hard about what you do
Conclusions: All in all an aaaamazing game if you are willing to put up with it’s insane difficulty curve. It has a lot to offer and hides a HUUGE world under the surface… but one that is quite had to dig out. If you do it though you’ll be left with one of a kind memories. 4 (on a -5 to 5 scale).
What an amazing job VaatiVidya did again. Spectacular! You know, sometimes I think the souls games were just hacked together as a series of fights and locations, and I ask myself why I like them… I answer because of the locations and i suspect the story was put in as an afterthought… but when I see his amazing work in this field I am amazed, and while not knowing if it’s all just in the eyes and magical mind of the beholder (of which he is a most spectacular one), I do agree that there was there at least one person who was a good writer and put some soul and twisted stories into the fabric. Also his talk about how he made his videos condensed, 5 instead of 30 minutes out of respect for your audience… man, that is such amazing work ethic and i guess why i keep coming back to his interpretations of the lore.
Ive stumbled upon some quite smart and deep critiques from people who actually love the game and the series, thought I’d share:
and this video has some interesting points too, despite being at times somewhat annoying:
A lot of respect for the storyteller’s point of view, and a lot of respect for the souls games. To be honest to me they seemed quite short on story and narrative, yet their world seems quite full of it, which is quite fascinating, this almost non-verbal richness of lore.